09 February 2014

Rahu in the 8th House and Ketu in 2nd House

Dear ardent readers here comes the eighth in the series of Rahu / Ketu  in Houses, The earlier series on Rahu / Ketu in Signs published in 2007 also is equally important & worthwhile reading, however care should be taken not to apply these writings verbatim on any chart, as there are many other factors, combinations, aspects etc which need to be studied always before coming to any conclusion.
  
The eighth house is an indicator of all obstructions minor, major and it is the primary indicator of end of life, inheritances of not just properties but majorly the attributes and hereditary characteristics and attributes,  along with the secondary indicator 2nd house. In the eighth house, the Rahu promises a peaceful and natural death, and a happy ending to the life. If the malefic planets (Saturn, Mars) are free from affliction in the horoscope, and provided the Sun and Moon are powerfully situated, the length of life may be very long. This position is also fortunate for inheritances and legacies. The native’s inherited property/ legacy/characteristics/attributes from his parents will be considerably increased, and he will also have the chance of unexpected gains from lotteries or gifts.

In the second house, the Ketu is not fortunate for money matters, the second house being the indicator of accumulated wealth. It is harmful to the native; or, more strictly speaking, his enterprises will be upset by circumstances over which he will have no control. This position may cause bankruptcy. Moreover, in regard to the affections, it will indicate deceit on the part of people in a low strata of life. If the horoscope on the whole is not good, it denotes loss of position on account of the opposite sex.

Subconscious habit patterns of the past have been the ‘getting’ principle rather than the ‘giving’ one. Must help others to find their resources and their sense of worth. The play on the senses must give way to the transforming of passion into compassion. Before the seed can bring forth fruit it must be buried in darkness, break its self-enclosed shell and reach for the Light. Helping others to find their resources and values is the clue to the right use of the Rahu in the eighth house.

The Rahu in the eighth house forces the person to learn to accept another’s financial help. Sometime in his life, he will be forced to learn to accept the humility of taking from others. He also needs to learn the depth of experience in sex, its proper and beautiful purpose, and the regeneration and rejuvenation it brings to human beings. Rahu badly aspected could cause either a breakdown or disturbing emotions when there is an imbalance in any of the eighth house activities.

Ketu in the second is determination. This position gives the person a dissatisfaction with money earned, or with working conditions. It may give many changes in jobs, or more than one job at a time. The person is always seeking the ideal way of adding to his own resources. This also can lead to financial difficulties. Ketu here gives us one who enjoys the physical pleasures, but who needs to learn balance and control of appetites and sense by creating beauty for the world. Second house Ketu can give an inability to earn completely one’s own way. Satisfaction and success in this area usually is delayed. It can give the person stubborn pride but great loyalty to a cause or a person.

This condition often signifies that the person has to deal with resources and possessions in various ways in life. Often their combined resources are plentiful and handy, but the other person may or may not allow them to use it generously. Their own resources become a doubtful issue in many cases. Strong interest in the occult or hidden side of life is noticed as a rescue from the material world. They often have good instincts and ability to deal with others’ subconscious. Cash flow situation will depend upon the planet(s) conjuncting the Rahu/Ketu axis. A benefic will increase favorable chances, while a malefic will cause uneven difficulties. Learning from the idea or reality of death and regeneration is strongly noticed in this case.

Here the individual is confronted with a powerful battle inside himself on the most basic of levels. His karma is to overcome the extreme possessiveness of his past incarnations. Until he deals with this, he has difficulty finding meaning in anything he cannot personally own. He is jealous of the possessions of others, desiring strongly to have all that his eyes behold. In some individuals this builds up to an insatiable lust for possession. In this respect there is such a strong determination that little can sway him from pursuing his desires.

Nearly always his life is based around the sexual force, and it is nearly certain that the sense of sexual understanding is highly skewed. There is usually something animalistic about the nature. Whether open or concealed, there is a lack of response to the civilizing effects of society.

May be in his past lives, the individual could not fully understand the importance of other people’s values, but continued to go his own way, unaware of how he affected others. His soul has built a need system so great that no matter how much he is fulfilled, his greatest needs always seem to be just beyond his reach. He is like the proverbial donkey following a carrot strapped to his head; but rarely does he understand that he is the one who put it there.

Those near him would give him the Moon if it would make him happy, but they know as well as he does that it would be only a momentary toy ultimately to be discarded and replaced by another need. It seems to be the quantity of quality that he desires, which is to say that he feels he must have it all! A bundle of excess in all directions, he finds it difficult to change his ways even after the realization that he is headed down a path of disaster. He pushes each crossroad to such extreme excess that when he does discover his errors, he is so far beyond the point of departure that he finds it impossible to see his way back. And so he continues further along a path he knows is wrong because it is the only road his eyes can see.

In some cases he goes to such extremes that he may run into trouble with the law; but long after he sees his error he still keeps trying to convince others that he is right. More than one with any other Rahu/Ketu position, this individual must learn self-control, for without discipline he can too easily allow his past incarnation habits of self-indulgence to make a shambles of his current life.

Some with this position experience an infirmity which brings them so close to death that their eyes open to a new appreciation of life. Others go through extremely trying sexual episodes so that they may start to be more clinical about their behavior. But always the karmic lesson is the same. The individual pushes himself so hard that he ultimately destroys all ground he has gained. Through a symbolic death of excessive behavior patterns, he may ultimately experience a new birth.

The past life residue presents too many physical and material concerns. The main growth in the current life is based on the individual’s ability to ferret from out of the depths of his being the strength for a rebirth. He often displays an interest in the occult, through which he ultimately gains information needed to achieve his regenerative transformation. Whatever he chooses to do, there is always chaos in it, for he is an extremist. And yet the combined karmic residue of stubbornness and laziness keeps stalling his rebirth. His soul wants to transform, but he has difficulty finding enough energy to do it. The hardest thing for him is to learn how to walk with no footsteps, for he so desperately wants to be impressive that he keeps making his own life heavier.

Relationships are extremely important to him. From prior incarnations he could have developed the habit of seeing the world as a social caste system, and within this framework keeps struggling for status, always believing that some people are more privileged than others. Through his eighth house Rahu, he must symbolically kill this past-life value system and go through the permanent metamorphosis which will eventually attune him to the value of others. He has much to learn from those close to him as soon as he starts to listen.

Most of his thoughts come from a deep-seated desire to kill the physical plane. They lead him on a path of ultimate disgust with himself as well as with the physical and material life he has led for so long. Through open or secret lust as well as jealousies in money or business affairs, he keeps spiralling his life to a point of no return. Once he reaches this, he will begin to be accepted through other people’s value systems in order to find his way back. But he will be confronted with the test of having to give up all that he has ever thought important, almost as if he is being asked to step to the back of the line and wait his turn. Each time a new and finer value is imposed on him, he must learn how to eliminate all in himself that blocks its acceptance.

He will start his new life from the bottom of the ladder, where because of the slowness of his ascent he will treasure deeply every inch of ground he gains. Truly this position indicates a difficult life, and could be because of the ingrained attitudes of past incarnations are so fixed on having their own way.

Until the transition is complete, he can expect his current life to be one financial tug of war after another. He must learn the karmic lesson that possessions are for the purpose of use and that it is not necessary to own more than what is immediately useful.

When he overcomes the tendency to allow his life’s energies to dissipate themselves, he can become a veritable dynamo in the business world. Still, he must never forget that he is the type that must burn his bridges behind him as a protection against slipping backward to levels he has struggled to pass through.

The eighth house Rahu can regenerate the individual. It is up to the strength of his own faith. To reach heaven, this position must walk through hell first, and there from the very bowels of the earth make the realization that God will hear his faintest cry for help as soon as he sincerely promises not to ‘look back’.

The sign which contains the Ketu shows the type of past-life value system that must be regenerated. The sign which contains the Rahu shows the ways in which the rebirth will be accomplished.

Extreme possessiveness, sexual difficulties, lack of regard for other people’s values or needs. unhappiness with possessions and money, no matter how comfortable your material situation seems to others. In extreme cases, trouble with the law; more often, simply trouble from atypical values.

The individual should develop self-control and self-discipline. Develop an appreciation for life. De-emphasize things; concentrate more on relationships. Organize your life - clear away worthless people, things, attitudes. Try to stop worrying about being appreciated; be willing to work for the joy of working rather than for prestige.

With the Rahu in the eighth house, the hang-up seems to be centered around power. Inability to forgive and grudge-holding are common expressions of this hang-up. A muddled or twisted sexual identity is another manifestation. Often there’s a ‘money is power’ syndrome that can manifest in gambling or foolish spending. In most cases there’s a strong desire to prove your worth or get back at those who have wronged you.

Rahu in the eighth house also hopes to realize gains through partnerships or other relationships; but the dreamed-of gains are liable to be more tangible in this case. He or she could dream of marrying a rich mate, befriending someone who dies and leaves him or her a sizeable inheritance, or being cut in on somebody’s earnings. There’s a strong desire to eliminate hardship of all types. This person takes an emotional approach towards financial matters. He or she tends to spend on the basis of emotional impulse rather than need, and is often careless or impractical with money. Less frequently the person is too lavish with praise, time, or nurturing. These tendencies stem from a subconscious feeling that he or she is incapable of amassing necessary resources without help from others.

The individual with this position finds it difficult to change the established ways, even when recognizing that the way leads in a wrong direction. He tends to continue anyway, mainly because it is the only path you see, and you will attempt to convince others that your way is right. And, in many ways, it is, because it offers the potential to realize what drives you and to encourage change, especially when painful consequences occur.

Resisting the temptations of material life is probably needed to balance this, especially as you favor possessions and material acquisitions which appear to offer a surrogate sense of meaning. Your desire nature often prefers quantity to quality, but is rarely satisfied or satiated for long. This requires transforming to deepen life appreciation.

The individual's behavior can be extreme in most things; and you often destroy progress by burning bridges behind you, stopping any chance of returning to the past and old habits. This ensures that you are committed to a chosen future direction. Potentially, such action can lead to positive results. Yet these do not just come about by themselves; you have to work toward them consciously. You require an inner transformation, but may have difficulty in generating consistent energy to stimulate change. Additionally, there is always an element of possible chaos in your behavior that emanates from any misapplied energy which can always unconsciously undermine your intentions.

The individual desires to be impressive to others; yet to some, you can appear as a negative influence. This arises from lacking comprehension of how your personality impacts on others, because you are so preoccupied with going your own way.

Relationships are important, although you tend to seek social status through them. There may be some confusion with respect to sexual matters / identity / activities, and you do not feel at ease with insistent physical demands. This can cause inner resistance and conflict. You may feel wary of sexuality, and your sexual image may be a difficult one to accept or integrate. You can keep such insecurities hidden and at a distance. Yet, as sexuality is an essential part of adulthood, it is a powerful impulse which requires satisfaction and understanding.

If you discover more transformative personal values, this can moderate any unconscious or excessive behavior patterns. You need openness to experience and to receive the influence of others, sot that your life becomes expansive, as understanding different attitudes develops greater tolerance. Introduce new attitudes and values toward modifying your possessive impulse, especially by realizing that possessions are only for us. Material prosperity does not indicate a person’s quality, or necessarily satisfy or fulfill his or her deeper needs. Your emphasis should be placed more on appreciating quality - that of yourself, of others, and of possessions.

You may need to release much that you previously considered to be important and meaningful, even though it has failed to give peace or happiness. Circumstances may strip you of the past in order for you to receive a new impulse and be influenced by more appropriate attitudes and values. If this occurs, see this experience as a positive personal renewal, an opportunity to change your life by a more moderate and balanced approach, leaving behind your compulsive and unconscious tendencies.

This produces a double nature. In the Ketu in the second house, there is a desire to fulfill two conditions: on the one hand, to be in good communication with the ‘You’, and to profit by the contacts made through the seventh house; on the other hand, to undergo an individualization. However, to stress one’s individuality can lead to isolation and to the loss of advantages offered by the 7th house. To be entirely ‘Me’, “I” have to give up ‘You’. Therefore he am torn between two desires. Although he wants optimum access to those around him, he also wants to be a strong, independent, free individual.

The Ketu in the second house warns the individual that he needs to understand these two conflicting requirements, and to handle them sensibly without making false compromises. In fact, any compromise is rather inconclusive. With the Rahu in the 8th house, he is compelled to live on the razor’s edge. he must guard against opting for security at the cost of personal development.

In the 8th house, the Rahu challenges us to strike a proper balance between society and individual growth: a balance that will produce spiritual and personal harmony. It requires us to cultivate a healthy relationship with the environment, in which the latter is respected, and to fulfill our obligations without hindrance to our spiritual growth. This is a tall order, because it presumes an internal and an external interdependence that are not easy to come by. It is important to keep things in proportion; and to do so calls for the ability to keep a cool head and to weigh everything carefully; also to be scrupulous in keeping the rules, including the rules of affection, sympathy and contact.

Also one must not neglect love while getting on in the world. In the 8th house there has to be equilibrium between the physical and the spiritual. One is constantly being challenged not to lay undue emphasis on status or on material advantage. Usually, when the Rahu is in the 8th house, there is a struggle to overcome a fixation on the tangible and material, and to release living human impulses.

If the Rahu is in the eighth house and Ketu in second House, the person’s greatest growth, evolution, and fulfillment come through relinquishing his desires for possessions, and helping others to determine their values. In past lifetimes, the person has been attached to his acquisitions and engrossed in his cravings for personal security. Now he is learning how to surrender and merge with energies separate from his own. Success and happiness will be found in pursuits involving the occult, metaphysics, mysticism, and psychic work. The person may also do well in politics or other fields which promote causes or campaigns for the good of others. The person should not concern himself too much with his own self-identity and intimate pleasures. He is here for greater purpose and profundity.


Good results occur when the person concentrates on spiritual evolution, soul growth, and psychological transformation. He should focus on ideals, paradigms, and ultimate realities rather than what can be gained from the mundane, physical universe. Sexual experiences are deep, significant, and valuable. The person transcends individuality and merges profoundly through the orgasmic experience. Appearances and physical beauty are not so important. The person must seek that which is deep, real, spiritual and lasting. He should open himself to all kinds of experiences, without trying to pick and choose the good versus the bad. Passion, power, and self-control are to be cultivated. The person should welcome his newly-vulnerable nature and embrace whatever ego-death-and-rebirth experiences come his way.


 

24 comments:

Shashank said...

Thanks for posting a great article...i would prefer to discuss my horoscope with you personally...Please tell me how to contact you

Madhusudan Dusi said...

My mail ID is zzress@yahoo.com , its there on the blog top left.

cclastrotech said...

Your blog is awesome and thanks for your post.
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Sadar Pranam said...

Madhusudan ji,

I got introduced to Vedic astrology in my teen years - not in a planned way - but you know what I mean, as coming from somebody with Rahu in 8th that too in Mithun. I have been searching for answers, reasons, clues.....for as long as I could remember.....today I came across this article, just like that - day before yesterday I just accidentally came across your article from 2007, in which you discussed Rahu in Mithun. I pondered over it for two days, slowly digesting it to my core. Then today I just clicked on 2014 and saw this article about Rahu in the 8th. I am speechless. I found my answer - I must have read hundreds of analysis, books, articles, charts, dashas.....nowhere I have seen what you divulged here. Until now, I was questioning my Shani (in 4th), Mangal (in 10th), Surya (in 12th, nichasth), Guru in 6th, even Budh in Lagna for not so fervent libido, in spite of the passionate demeanor in every aspect of life. Today you demystified it all for me.

In one sentence - convert the passion into the compassion. Although, I am really not that materialistic - May be because Rahu is only of one deg. And in the "char" kundali Rahu translates into the seventh !? I always thought Rahu in Mithun is exalhated....it got to be the solution...the ultimate clue. I thank you for that. I know your name being Madhusudan is not just a coincidence!!!
Hare Krsna.

Mannav said...

Hi, Can you please do a series of debilitated planets such as venus debilitated in one's chart after you are done with this series.

And this is spot on, really appreciate your hard work and knowledge.

Madhusudan Dusi said...

Yes sure, its there on my list!

Jennyffer Miller said...

I love your article ☆☆☆☆☆
》I think there are material items that captures my eye sight which I tend to desire and then I would possess these items magically.

》Ketu on the other sphere, naturally culminate lonely on the 2nd house. That is one section in my chart I want to know more.

Unknown said...

It's awesome. New way of putting these complex things in such a organised and scientific manner. Really appreciate the article n heartiest thanx becoz I have d same in my hoscope. After reading this I got a new dimension to see things. Thanx again

Unknown said...

its looks more precise. how much of importance should be given to the strength of the depositor house. for example rahu is in libra at 8th house. so does it mean that rahu will give the results of shukra ?

Madhusudan Dusi said...

Yes you are right, but Rahu would also have its own qualities and effects!

Unknown said...

Mr.Madhusudan do you consult ? if yes whats your mail ID?

Madhusudan Dusi said...

No sorry I am not doing consultations as of now!

Dr. Ajay said...

He is indeed a great astrologer.

Anonymous said...

Sir, you are unbelievable! I really appreciate the patience and depth you have shown for this write-up. It shows how keen you are into this. Currently I am going through rahu mahadasa rahu anthardasa. Rahu, Sun and Moon in Aries, 8th house. Ketu and Saturn in libra, 2nd house as per Tamil snake panchang. However online north Indian shows Saturn in 3rd house from virgo lagna. Different astrologers approves both to be true. Anyhow, sun moon and Saturn placement is bad for me I guess. It's been hell already before rahu dasa. Don't know how it's gonna be for next 17 years or so. Thanks a lot for this enlightening article during my tough time.

Unknown said...

You have a very profound knowledge about astrology... Thanks for the contribution.. wish you would share more about some planets..

Unknown said...

Does this mean the person with such astrological configuration is considered to be reincarnated bodhisattva? Given that such person has to go thru so much pain in order to find the awakening.

ssr astrologer said...

The eighth house is an indicator of all obstructions minor, major and it is the primary indicator of end of life, inheritances of not just properties but majorly the attributes and hereditary characteristics and attributes, along with the secondary indicator 2nd house. In the eighth house, the Rahu promises a peaceful and natural death, and a happy ending to the life.
Astrologer in Texas

DragonCustomzzz said...

This was an awesome blog. Though im very new to Vedic Astrology. I learned alot from reading this blog, Thanx.

astrologerinlondon said...

Rahu in this house usually deals with secrecy. It is a perfect placement for those involved in high-risk work environments or work as a detective, secret investigator, intelligence officer, disaster managers, executive secretary etc. These kind of people are attracted towards knowledgeable and wealthy partners. Rahu in the 8th house can bring unexpected changes, which can be violent and destructive in nature. The person who has Rahu in their 8th house deals with the hidden associations, confidential information and risky secrets.
Famous Indian Astrologer in London

Benni said...

This exactly what am having, Thanks for sharing this blog.

Unknown said...

A thought provoking insight as to how Rahu Ketu placements reflects person's inner core aspirations by past his Karmas and a way forward for a more fulfilling ongoing birth life.
Can you please let me know about astrological books written by you which have such a detailed insight as given by you in this article about all planets and their significations in all houses and signs.

Unknown said...

Awesome article. .. I loved it

Alpha Antares said...

Great Work !! Loved it.

Jack Balitok said...

I have this placement. Emotions are ticking bombs I tell you. Thanks.